Discussion:
Mysterious noises from my Escort
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Billy H
2005-11-30 19:22:58 UTC
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My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.

Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.

I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.

The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.

I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.


Any ideas?????


I am truly confused.
Charly Coughran
2005-11-30 21:03:29 UTC
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Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks
ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both
a higher tempo and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom
is the noise being louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation
of the symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension
lower arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first
began and due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to
think it is a balance problem although the noise persists at all
speeds above aprox 15 mph. It gets louder and with a higher 'tempo'
at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today
threw me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the
left, and I may be being biased with an original thought stuck in my
mind.
Any ideas?????
I am truly confused.
Without hearing, and/or feeling, it is hard to tell. It is hard with
sometimes too. The symptoms would point to something on the right
side drive train, but any loose piece of sheet metal can act like
that. Loose exhaust and catalytic converter heat shields are often
the culprit discovered after long periods of fixing things. I'd put
an eye on the motor mounts as well, they can allow the engine to shift
enough to cause vibration in otherwise quiet sheet metal. Could be a
delamination in a radial tire sidewall as well, typically seen in old
but not worn out tires. Can you make the noise by revving the engine
with the car stopped? That will tell you a lot. If so you should be
able to find it by ear. Drive down a hill and put it in neutral
and/or turn the engine off (watch out for loosing power steering and
brakes). Does the sound go away?
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2005-12-01 00:42:02 UTC
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Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel pump, or
injector lines contacting something they shouldn't. I have
absolutely no confidence in this suggestion, so don't spend money
investigating it.

Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic
humming"?

David A. Smith
John Stevenson
2005-12-01 02:08:16 UTC
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Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel pump, or
injector lines contacting something they shouldn't. I have
absolutely no confidence in this suggestion, so don't spend money
investigating it.
Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic
humming"?
David A. Smith
Huuuummmmmmmmm
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Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2005-12-01 02:29:37 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:42:02 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com
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Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Could you get a little more into a description of
"rhythmic humming"?
Huuuummmmmmmmm
No way!! He said a Ford Escort diesel, not a Mazda. ;>)

David A. Smith
Billy H
2005-12-01 22:29:49 UTC
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Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel pump, or injector
lines contacting something they shouldn't. I have absolutely no
confidence in this suggestion, so don't spend money investigating it.
Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic humming"?
David A. Smith
I only changed the one bearing as I was convinced the problem lay in the one
side. One mechanic I spoke with is baffled. The other said it sounds from my
description to be the offside bearings.

I was told to let it develop, and I may well have ot if it is not fixed by
replacing wheels and bearings.

Do you have think it could be CV joint? My father says they tend to click if
they need replaced, this noise is not a click, although the humming is more
akin to a vibration (although the car does not shake) than to a flute or
trumpet!


Regards the bearings, the wheels do not and did not wobble vertically when
given the grip and push-pull procedure, they did wobble a little left right
but I am told this is normal.
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2005-12-02 01:30:06 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel
pump, or injector lines contacting something they shouldn't.
I have absolutely no confidence in this suggestion, so don't
spend money investigating it.
Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic
humming"?
I only changed the one bearing as I was convinced the
problem lay in the one side. One mechanic I spoke with
is baffled. The other said it sounds from my description
to be the offside bearings.
Let's work on nomenclature. You are in the UK. A turn to the
left will place more load on the driver-side bearings,
suspension, and depress the wheel further up into its wheel well.

What side of the car is the "offside"?
Post by Billy H
I was told to let it develop, and I may well have ot if it
is not fixed by replacing wheels and bearings.
Do you have think it could be CV joint? My father
says they tend to click if they need replaced, this
noise is not a click, although the humming is more akin to a
vibration (although the car does not
shake) than to a flute or trumpet!
Google
hum "CV joint"
... only 777 hits. You could decide based on some of these if it
sounds like your problem.
Post by Billy H
Regards the bearings, the wheels do not and did not
wobble vertically when given the grip and push-pull
procedure, they did wobble a little left right but I am
told this is normal.
Sounds right.

I notice that you said elsewhere that the noise continued after
the engine was turned off.

When did the noise start? Before or after correcting the wheel
balance by changing the wheel?

Is the tire(s) installed identical to the ones that were on it
before? I am curious if you got a different profile, and are
contacting some of the bits (metal or plastic) inside the
fenderwell.

How much transmission fluid is in the tranny?

Is the same noise made when going backwards, and making the same
type turn (or can you not safely go that fast)?

David A. Smith
Billy H
2005-12-02 08:36:26 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel
pump, or injector lines contacting something they shouldn't.
I have absolutely no confidence in this suggestion, so don't
spend money investigating it.
Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic
humming"?
I only changed the one bearing as I was convinced the
problem lay in the one side. One mechanic I spoke with
is baffled. The other said it sounds from my description
to be the offside bearings.
Let's work on nomenclature. You are in the UK. A turn to the left will
place more load on the driver-side bearings, suspension, and depress the
wheel further up into its wheel well.
What side of the car is the "offside"?
based on the nearside being nearest the kerb and us in UK driving on left,
offside is right.
Post by Billy H
I was told to let it develop, and I may well have ot if it
is not fixed by replacing wheels and bearings.
Do you have think it could be CV joint? My father
says they tend to click if they need replaced, this
noise is not a click, although the humming is more akin to a vibration
(although the car does not
shake) than to a flute or trumpet!
Google
hum "CV joint"
... only 777 hits. You could decide based on some of these if it sounds
like your problem.
Post by Billy H
Regards the bearings, the wheels do not and did not
wobble vertically when given the grip and push-pull
procedure, they did wobble a little left right but I am
told this is normal.
Sounds right.
I notice that you said elsewhere that the noise continued after the engine
was turned off.
When did the noise start? Before or after correcting the wheel balance by
changing the wheel?
began after some work on the alternator. that had me flummoxed. but am quite
sure it is not the alternator!!
Is the tire(s) installed identical to the ones that were on it before? I
am curious if you got a different profile, and are contacting some of the
bits (metal or plastic) inside the fenderwell.
How much transmission fluid is in the tranny?
don't know, need to check. makes noise when tranny disengaged.
Is the same noise made when going backwards, and making the same type turn
(or can you not safely go that fast)?
unsafe.
John Stevenson
2005-12-02 10:13:13 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:36:26 -0000, "Billy H"
Post by Billy H
I notice that you said elsewhere that the noise continued after the engine
was turned off.
When did the noise start? Before or after correcting the wheel balance by
changing the wheel?
began after some work on the alternator. that had me flummoxed. but am quite
sure it is not the alternator!!
Take fan belt off and do a short trip to test.
Will be Ok in cold weather for a couple of miles with no water pump

This will then eliminate one area.

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Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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Billy H
2005-12-02 23:50:00 UTC
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Post by John Stevenson
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:36:26 -0000, "Billy H"
Post by Billy H
I notice that you said elsewhere that the noise continued after the engine
was turned off.
When did the noise start? Before or after correcting the wheel balance by
changing the wheel?
began after some work on the alternator. that had me flummoxed. but am quite
sure it is not the alternator!!
Take fan belt off and do a short trip to test.
Will be Ok in cold weather for a couple of miles with no water pump
This will then eliminate one area.
--
Regards,
John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.
I'll be here forever with all these little things.

I know it is not the fan belt. (He says with an air of hope in his head!!)

I adjusted the belt and it made zero difference.

Having said this do you suggest I do release the belt? I know what you say
is purely scientific, but must I go to this extreme?
Post by John Stevenson
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2005-12-03 00:16:50 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by John Stevenson
Take fan belt off and do a short trip to test.
Will be Ok in cold weather for a couple of miles with
no water pump
...
Post by Billy H
Having said this do you suggest I do release the belt?
I know what you say is purely scientific, but must I
go to this extreme?
Since you have turned the engine off, and teh noise persists,
this is not he cause. No, you do not need to do this.

David A. Smith
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2005-12-03 00:29:40 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel
pump, or injector lines contacting something they shouldn't.
I have absolutely no confidence in this suggestion, so don't
spend money investigating it.
Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic
humming"?
I only changed the one bearing as I was convinced the
problem lay in the one side. One mechanic I spoke with
is baffled. The other said it sounds from my description
to be the offside bearings.
Let's work on nomenclature. You are in the UK. A turn
to the left will place more load on the driver-side bearings,
suspension, and depress the wheel further up into its
wheel well.
What side of the car is the "offside"?
based on the nearside being nearest the kerb and us in
UK driving on left, offside is right.
So the bearing on the side you didn't replace the bearing on is
the one that *could* (not does) get louder when you turn left.

...
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
Regards the bearings, the wheels do not and did not
wobble vertically when given the grip and push-pull
procedure, they did wobble a little left right but I am
told this is normal.
Sounds right.
I notice that you said elsewhere that the noise
continued after the engine was turned off.
When did the noise start? Before or after
correcting the wheel balance by changing the wheel?
began after some work on the alternator. that had me
flummoxed. but am quite sure it is not the alternator!!
Is the fan electric? In some cars, this will continue to run for
a bit, and you may have moved the fan shroud while you were
poking around. No need to check this if the "rhythm" changes
with car speed.
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Is the tire(s) installed identical to the ones that were
on it before? I am curious if you got a different profile,
and are contacting some of the bits (metal or
plastic) inside the fenderwell.
How much transmission fluid is in the tranny?
don't know, need to check. makes noise when
tranny disengaged.
In a front wheel drive, disengaging the transmission simply
prevents the torque converter rotation from reaching the rear
wheels. There are a large number of gears that are still
directly connected to the driven wheels, and turn when they do.
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Is the same noise made when going backwards,
and making the same type turn (or can you not
safely go that fast)?
unsafe.
OK. They did it in "Hooper" (a really bad film you probably
didn't see)... ;>)

Make sure the fender wells are clear around the tires. Plastic
bags, cardboard, displaced fender well liner.

David A. Smith
Billy H
2005-12-03 00:50:16 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise
a few weeks ago (4). When driving the car emits a rythmic
humming which has both a higher tempo and volume with
increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
I'd check the fuel system. Possibly a "dismounted" fuel
pump, or injector lines contacting something they shouldn't.
I have absolutely no confidence in this suggestion, so don't
spend money investigating it.
Could you get a little more into a description of "rhythmic humming"?
I only changed the one bearing as I was convinced the
problem lay in the one side. One mechanic I spoke with
is baffled. The other said it sounds from my description
to be the offside bearings.
Let's work on nomenclature. You are in the UK. A turn
to the left will place more load on the driver-side bearings,
suspension, and depress the wheel further up into its
wheel well.
What side of the car is the "offside"?
based on the nearside being nearest the kerb and us in
UK driving on left, offside is right.
So the bearing on the side you didn't replace the bearing on is the one
that *could* (not does) get louder when you turn left.
Yes.

All this makes me sound *to myself* a total imbecile. I am however receptive
to advice from elders and betters (and the judgement of who is *better* is
down to me, and I'll always get things wrong on my own... *but sometimes
they'll get it right*... life is a pain in the infundibula...).

Yes I listened to advice and changed the side I thought was okay but
could've been wrong and left my adjudged side alone. (slap me now before
some fool does...).
...
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
Regards the bearings, the wheels do not and did not
wobble vertically when given the grip and push-pull
procedure, they did wobble a little left right but I am
told this is normal.
Sounds right.
I notice that you said elsewhere that the noise
continued after the engine was turned off.
When did the noise start? Before or after
correcting the wheel balance by changing the wheel?
began after some work on the alternator. that had me
flummoxed. but am quite sure it is not the alternator!!
Is the fan electric? In some cars, this will continue to run for a bit,
and you may have moved the fan shroud while you were poking around. No
need to check this if the "rhythm" changes with car speed.
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Is the tire(s) installed identical to the ones that were
on it before? I am curious if you got a different profile,
and are contacting some of the bits (metal or
plastic) inside the fenderwell.
How much transmission fluid is in the tranny?
don't know, need to check. makes noise when
tranny disengaged.
In a front wheel drive, disengaging the transmission simply prevents the
torque converter rotation from reaching the rear wheels. There are a
large number of gears that are still directly connected to the driven
wheels, and turn when they do.
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Is the same noise made when going backwards,
and making the same type turn (or can you not
safely go that fast)?
unsafe.
OK. They did it in "Hooper" (a really bad film you probably didn't
see)... ;>)
Make sure the fender wells are clear around the tires. Plastic bags,
cardboard, displaced fender well liner.
David A. Smith
Never again shall I take paraffin on a river boat trip...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2005-12-03 01:48:34 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
based on the nearside being nearest the kerb and us in
UK driving on left, offside is right.
So the bearing on the side you didn't replace the bearing
on is the one that *could* (not does) get louder when
you turn left.
Yes.
All this makes me sound *to myself* a total imbecile. I
am however receptive to advice from elders and betters
(and the judgement of who is *better* is down to me,
and I'll always get things wrong on my own... *but
sometimes they'll get it right*... life is a pain in the
infundibula...).
Yes I listened to advice and changed the side I
thought was okay but could've been wrong and left
my adjudged side alone. (slap me now before some fool does...).
Don't be hard on yourself. But also don't change one of
something that should be done in pairs.

It is not atypical for a driver to assign one meaning to "left"
and "right" based on sitting behind the wheel, and another for a
mechanic who spends his life 180 degrees around looking under the
hood. It may be simply misunderstanding. To quote Billy Joel:
communication is the problem, not the answer.

...
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Is the same noise made when going backwards,
and making the same type turn (or can you not
safely go that fast)?
unsafe.
OK. They did it in "Hooper" (a really bad film you
probably didn't see)... ;>)
Make sure the fender wells are clear around the
tires. Plastic bags, cardboard, displaced fender
well liner.
Never again shall I take paraffin on a river boat trip...
Sorry, I didn't understand that. Is that a reference to
surfboard wax and boat trips?

Let us know how it (the search for the noise) comes out.

David A. Smith
Billy H
2005-12-03 11:10:02 UTC
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Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
based on the nearside being nearest the kerb and us in
UK driving on left, offside is right.
So the bearing on the side you didn't replace the bearing
on is the one that *could* (not does) get louder when
you turn left.
Yes.
All this makes me sound *to myself* a total imbecile. I
am however receptive to advice from elders and betters
(and the judgement of who is *better* is down to me,
and I'll always get things wrong on my own... *but
sometimes they'll get it right*... life is a pain in the
infundibula...).
Yes I listened to advice and changed the side I
thought was okay but could've been wrong and left
my adjudged side alone. (slap me now before some fool does...).
Don't be hard on yourself. But also don't change one of something that
should be done in pairs.
It is not atypical for a driver to assign one meaning to "left" and
"right" based on sitting behind the wheel, and another for a mechanic who
spends his life 180 degrees around looking under the hood. It may be
simply misunderstanding. To quote Billy Joel: communication is the
problem, not the answer.
...
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Billy H
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Is the same noise made when going backwards,
and making the same type turn (or can you not
safely go that fast)?
unsafe.
OK. They did it in "Hooper" (a really bad film you
probably didn't see)... ;>)
Make sure the fender wells are clear around the
tires. Plastic bags, cardboard, displaced fender
well liner.
Never again shall I take paraffin on a river boat trip...
Sorry, I didn't understand that. Is that a reference to surfboard wax and
boat trips?
Let us know how it (the search for the noise) comes out.
David A. Smith
I shall let you know.

That was a paraphrase from 'Three men in a boat' (1909) by Jerome K Jerome,
a lovely little book!

http://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/boat/boat.htm

"We had taken up an oil-stove once, but "never again." It had been like
living in an oil-shop that week. It oozed. I never saw such a thing as
paraffine oil is to ooze. We kept it in the nose of the boat, and, from
there, it oozed down to the rudder, impregnating the whole boat and
everything in it on its way, and it oozed over the river, and saturated the
scenery and spoilt the atmosphere. Sometimes a westerly oily wind blew, and
at other times an easterly oily wind, and sometimes it blew a northerly oily
wind, and maybe a southerly oily wind; but whether it came from the Arctic
snows, or was raised in the waste of the desert sands, it came alike to us
laden with the fragrance of paraffine oil."
ticktock
2005-12-01 11:16:02 UTC
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Don't quite understand why you would only change the bearing on the one
side? I always change pairs of bearings and bushes as a matter of
course.

But... if you are turning left then the unsprung mass of the nearside
wheel will effectively reduce more than the effective increase on the
offside (because the outside bearings will already be 'loaded-up' even
at rest. Load is slightly exponential rather than purely linear in
cornering).
The noise (if it is the bearings) would then tend to change 'more' on
turning left because that side would experience the greater apparent
change in Mass-loading (the centre of gravity moves to the outside of
the circle and the loading on the inside of the corner goes through the
greater amount of 'change').

I would start with replacing the other wheel-bearing also.

Next ... check the exhaust baffle at the bottom of the bulkhead (I
think they all had this)... my daughters' car which she had before
emigrating (Escort Diesel) had a small blow in the exhaust just at the
baffle plate... the exhaust gases were 'hitting the baffle and acting
like a little drum. Inside the car it sounded awful, outside you
couldn't hear the damned thing above the noise of the engine. It got
louder/faster with engine speed. (Not just road speed) . Which is yours
.. engine speed or road speed dependant?
If it is engine speed related .. then obviously it is highly unlikley
to be anything to do with suspension/steering. Road speed dependant ..
it is likely suspension/steering.

As for radial tyre sudewall delamination as a suggested cause ....
highly unlikely/improbable. Such, if it were to occur, is unlikely to
give the symptons you describe. I haven't heard of delamination of car
tyres being a problem for c.30 years .. you would see the effects of
sidewall degradation (cracking and splitting first ... so this should
be a really simple visual check).


Can't quite follow the logic of a noise being a 'balance problem' ...
if it was a wheel balance problem you would not just hear it but also
expect to feel it at it's resonant speed. Do you?

As this is OT for this group... you can drop me a offline email if you
want to discuss.

ieb-aht-klokwurx-dot-koe-ukay

BTW .. my background includes (amongst others) automotive engineering
so I do have some knowledge in this area.

I'd definately start with that 'other' wheel-bearing (especially if it
is a humming sound rather than a graunching or rattling).
Regards


Ian
Peter Neill
2005-12-03 21:06:15 UTC
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Post by ticktock
Don't quite understand why you would only change the bearing on the one
side? I always change pairs of bearings and bushes as a matter of
course.
But... if you are turning left then the unsprung mass of the nearside
wheel will effectively reduce more than the effective increase on the
offside (because the outside bearings will already be 'loaded-up' even
at rest. Load is slightly exponential rather than purely linear in
cornering).
The noise (if it is the bearings) would then tend to change 'more' on
turning left because that side would experience the greater apparent
change in Mass-loading (the centre of gravity moves to the outside of
the circle and the loading on the inside of the corner goes through the
greater amount of 'change').
I would start with replacing the other wheel-bearing also.
Next ... check the exhaust baffle at the bottom of the bulkhead (I
think they all had this)... my daughters' car which she had before
emigrating (Escort Diesel) had a small blow in the exhaust just at the
baffle plate... the exhaust gases were 'hitting the baffle and acting
like a little drum. Inside the car it sounded awful, outside you
couldn't hear the damned thing above the noise of the engine. It got
louder/faster with engine speed. (Not just road speed) . Which is yours
.. engine speed or road speed dependant?
If it is engine speed related .. then obviously it is highly unlikley
to be anything to do with suspension/steering. Road speed dependant ..
it is likely suspension/steering.
As for radial tyre sudewall delamination as a suggested cause ....
highly unlikely/improbable. Such, if it were to occur, is unlikely to
give the symptons you describe. I haven't heard of delamination of car
tyres being a problem for c.30 years .. you would see the effects of
sidewall degradation (cracking and splitting first ... so this should
be a really simple visual check).
Can't quite follow the logic of a noise being a 'balance problem' ...
if it was a wheel balance problem you would not just hear it but also
expect to feel it at it's resonant speed. Do you?
As this is OT for this group... you can drop me a offline email if you
want to discuss.
ieb-aht-klokwurx-dot-koe-ukay
BTW .. my background includes (amongst others) automotive engineering
so I do have some knowledge in this area.
I'd definately start with that 'other' wheel-bearing (especially if it
is a humming sound rather than a graunching or rattling).
Regards
Ian
No, no no, they're all wrong.
It's a little accepted fact that its not technology that makes cars
work, its actually Gnomes. Inside the structure of the car are
thousands of tiny little gnomes, and what you're hearing is the muted
whistling of the gnomes as they work. Now normally these are to be
found in the carburettor where their whistling is often mistaken for
induction noise, but in winter they migrate south and join the dwarf
working parties in the driveshaft and bearing levels.

These consist of the axe levels (often referred to incorrectly as
axles), the common property mine access shaft (run by the dwarves)
often shortened to prop shaft, and the main circular mining pits, the
motherlode (wheel) bearing face.
Occasionally access to one of these areas is blocked when the
underground joists (UJ's) in the tunnel fail. You can always tell
when this has happened because you can hear the dwarf miners
tap-tap-tapping away with pickaxes to clear the blockage.

Working in these levels is arduous, so the gnomes and dwarves like to
play hard after they have worked hard, and at the end of the shift they
want to have a beer or two, relax and let their hair down in one of the
many gin joints to be found in these levels. However, being as small as
they are they cannot hold their drink very well and often become a bit
too boisterous and uncouth. In an attempt to restore the decorum the
powers that be decided to ban workmans clothes and insist on formal
wear as an entrance policy for everyone wanting to drink and dance,so
instead of gin joints these became known as Ball Joints due to the
dress policy.

Ball joints are normally quiet, because the now well behaved gnomes and
dwarves don't like to mess up their formal wear, but riots have
occasionally broken out down there when the drink has run out. That's
why it's important to keep these ball joints 'well lubricated' if
you want to avoid excessive noise or damage to the 'joint'.

Occasionally they can of course still imbibe too much and will feel
slightly drunk the morning after when they return to their work place.
Predictably, the result of this is usually a loss of balance, and if
too many gnomes are hungover at one time, then this can be clearly felt
in the handling of the car. Sometimes they are so drunk they will
report for duty on the wrong 'side' of the car before being sent
back to the proper station. This often leads to the conclusion that the
imbalance is on the wrong side of the car to where it actually is. Of
course, when they sober up the imbalance goes away, but will return if
they turn up drunk again. This often leads people to believe that there
is an 'intermittent fault' somewhere.

Now and again of course, they just have a bad headache and can't keep
to the correct working rhythm of the rest of the group. On these
occasions you may experience a series of out-of-place tapping sounds.
In order to help these gnomes get back on the pace, all the other
gnomes and dwarves will then whistle or hum a marching tune for them to
follow and allow them to pick up the rhythm, and this is what you are
actually hearing.

Peter
Lionel
2005-12-03 21:26:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Neill
Post by ticktock
Don't quite understand why you would only change the bearing on the one
side? I always change pairs of bearings and bushes as a matter of
course.
But... if you are turning left then the unsprung mass of the nearside
wheel will effectively reduce more than the effective increase on the
offside (because the outside bearings will already be 'loaded-up' even
at rest. Load is slightly exponential rather than purely linear in
cornering).
The noise (if it is the bearings) would then tend to change 'more' on
turning left because that side would experience the greater apparent
change in Mass-loading (the centre of gravity moves to the outside of
the circle and the loading on the inside of the corner goes through the
greater amount of 'change').
I would start with replacing the other wheel-bearing also.
Next ... check the exhaust baffle at the bottom of the bulkhead (I
think they all had this)... my daughters' car which she had before
emigrating (Escort Diesel) had a small blow in the exhaust just at the
baffle plate... the exhaust gases were 'hitting the baffle and acting
like a little drum. Inside the car it sounded awful, outside you
couldn't hear the damned thing above the noise of the engine. It got
louder/faster with engine speed. (Not just road speed) . Which is yours
.. engine speed or road speed dependant?
If it is engine speed related .. then obviously it is highly unlikley
to be anything to do with suspension/steering. Road speed dependant ..
it is likely suspension/steering.
As for radial tyre sudewall delamination as a suggested cause ....
highly unlikely/improbable. Such, if it were to occur, is unlikely to
give the symptons you describe. I haven't heard of delamination of car
tyres being a problem for c.30 years .. you would see the effects of
sidewall degradation (cracking and splitting first ... so this should
be a really simple visual check).
Can't quite follow the logic of a noise being a 'balance problem' ...
if it was a wheel balance problem you would not just hear it but also
expect to feel it at it's resonant speed. Do you?
As this is OT for this group... you can drop me a offline email if you
want to discuss.
ieb-aht-klokwurx-dot-koe-ukay
BTW .. my background includes (amongst others) automotive engineering
so I do have some knowledge in this area.
I'd definately start with that 'other' wheel-bearing (especially if it
is a humming sound rather than a graunching or rattling).
Regards
Ian
No, no no, they're all wrong.
It's a little accepted fact that its not technology that makes cars
work, its actually Gnomes. Inside the structure of the car are
thousands of tiny little gnomes, and what you're hearing is the muted
whistling of the gnomes as they work. Now normally these are to be
found in the carburettor where their whistling is often mistaken for
induction noise, but in winter they migrate south and join the dwarf
working parties in the driveshaft and bearing levels.
These consist of the axe levels (often referred to incorrectly as
axles), the common property mine access shaft (run by the dwarves)
often shortened to prop shaft, and the main circular mining pits, the
motherlode (wheel) bearing face.
Occasionally access to one of these areas is blocked when the
underground joists (UJ's) in the tunnel fail. You can always tell
when this has happened because you can hear the dwarf miners
tap-tap-tapping away with pickaxes to clear the blockage.
Working in these levels is arduous, so the gnomes and dwarves like to
play hard after they have worked hard, and at the end of the shift they
want to have a beer or two, relax and let their hair down in one of the
many gin joints to be found in these levels. However, being as small as
they are they cannot hold their drink very well and often become a bit
too boisterous and uncouth. In an attempt to restore the decorum the
powers that be decided to ban workmans clothes and insist on formal
wear as an entrance policy for everyone wanting to drink and dance,so
instead of gin joints these became known as Ball Joints due to the
dress policy.
Ball joints are normally quiet, because the now well behaved gnomes and
dwarves don't like to mess up their formal wear, but riots have
occasionally broken out down there when the drink has run out. That's
why it's important to keep these ball joints 'well lubricated' if
you want to avoid excessive noise or damage to the 'joint'.
Occasionally they can of course still imbibe too much and will feel
slightly drunk the morning after when they return to their work place.
Predictably, the result of this is usually a loss of balance, and if
too many gnomes are hungover at one time, then this can be clearly felt
in the handling of the car. Sometimes they are so drunk they will
report for duty on the wrong 'side' of the car before being sent
back to the proper station. This often leads to the conclusion that the
imbalance is on the wrong side of the car to where it actually is. Of
course, when they sober up the imbalance goes away, but will return if
they turn up drunk again. This often leads people to believe that there
is an 'intermittent fault' somewhere.
Now and again of course, they just have a bad headache and can't keep
to the correct working rhythm of the rest of the group. On these
occasions you may experience a series of out-of-place tapping sounds.
In order to help these gnomes get back on the pace, all the other
gnomes and dwarves will then whistle or hum a marching tune for them to
follow and allow them to pick up the rhythm, and this is what you are
actually hearing.
Peter
So you have to wait until they have all finished work and gone gnome,
before the noise will stop!

Lionel
Billy H
2005-12-04 18:34:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lionel
Post by Peter Neill
Post by ticktock
Don't quite understand why you would only change the bearing on the one
side? I always change pairs of bearings and bushes as a matter of
course.
But... if you are turning left then the unsprung mass of the nearside
wheel will effectively reduce more than the effective increase on the
offside (because the outside bearings will already be 'loaded-up' even
at rest. Load is slightly exponential rather than purely linear in
cornering).
The noise (if it is the bearings) would then tend to change 'more' on
turning left because that side would experience the greater apparent
change in Mass-loading (the centre of gravity moves to the outside of
the circle and the loading on the inside of the corner goes through the
greater amount of 'change').
I would start with replacing the other wheel-bearing also.
Next ... check the exhaust baffle at the bottom of the bulkhead (I
think they all had this)... my daughters' car which she had before
emigrating (Escort Diesel) had a small blow in the exhaust just at the
baffle plate... the exhaust gases were 'hitting the baffle and acting
like a little drum. Inside the car it sounded awful, outside you
couldn't hear the damned thing above the noise of the engine. It got
louder/faster with engine speed. (Not just road speed) . Which is yours
.. engine speed or road speed dependant?
If it is engine speed related .. then obviously it is highly unlikley
to be anything to do with suspension/steering. Road speed dependant ..
it is likely suspension/steering.
As for radial tyre sudewall delamination as a suggested cause ....
highly unlikely/improbable. Such, if it were to occur, is unlikely to
give the symptons you describe. I haven't heard of delamination of car
tyres being a problem for c.30 years .. you would see the effects of
sidewall degradation (cracking and splitting first ... so this should
be a really simple visual check).
Can't quite follow the logic of a noise being a 'balance problem' ...
if it was a wheel balance problem you would not just hear it but also
expect to feel it at it's resonant speed. Do you?
As this is OT for this group... you can drop me a offline email if you
want to discuss.
ieb-aht-klokwurx-dot-koe-ukay
BTW .. my background includes (amongst others) automotive engineering
so I do have some knowledge in this area.
I'd definately start with that 'other' wheel-bearing (especially if it
is a humming sound rather than a graunching or rattling).
Regards
Ian
No, no no, they're all wrong.
It's a little accepted fact that its not technology that makes cars
work, its actually Gnomes. Inside the structure of the car are
thousands of tiny little gnomes, and what you're hearing is the muted
whistling of the gnomes as they work. Now normally these are to be
found in the carburettor where their whistling is often mistaken for
induction noise, but in winter they migrate south and join the dwarf
working parties in the driveshaft and bearing levels.
These consist of the axe levels (often referred to incorrectly as
axles), the common property mine access shaft (run by the dwarves)
often shortened to prop shaft, and the main circular mining pits, the
motherlode (wheel) bearing face.
Occasionally access to one of these areas is blocked when the
underground joists (UJ's) in the tunnel fail. You can always tell
when this has happened because you can hear the dwarf miners
tap-tap-tapping away with pickaxes to clear the blockage.
Working in these levels is arduous, so the gnomes and dwarves like to
play hard after they have worked hard, and at the end of the shift they
want to have a beer or two, relax and let their hair down in one of the
many gin joints to be found in these levels. However, being as small as
they are they cannot hold their drink very well and often become a bit
too boisterous and uncouth. In an attempt to restore the decorum the
powers that be decided to ban workmans clothes and insist on formal
wear as an entrance policy for everyone wanting to drink and dance,so
instead of gin joints these became known as Ball Joints due to the
dress policy.
Ball joints are normally quiet, because the now well behaved gnomes and
dwarves don't like to mess up their formal wear, but riots have
occasionally broken out down there when the drink has run out. That's
why it's important to keep these ball joints 'well lubricated' if
you want to avoid excessive noise or damage to the 'joint'.
Occasionally they can of course still imbibe too much and will feel
slightly drunk the morning after when they return to their work place.
Predictably, the result of this is usually a loss of balance, and if
too many gnomes are hungover at one time, then this can be clearly felt
in the handling of the car. Sometimes they are so drunk they will
report for duty on the wrong 'side' of the car before being sent
back to the proper station. This often leads to the conclusion that the
imbalance is on the wrong side of the car to where it actually is. Of
course, when they sober up the imbalance goes away, but will return if
they turn up drunk again. This often leads people to believe that there
is an 'intermittent fault' somewhere.
Now and again of course, they just have a bad headache and can't keep
to the correct working rhythm of the rest of the group. On these
occasions you may experience a series of out-of-place tapping sounds.
In order to help these gnomes get back on the pace, all the other
gnomes and dwarves will then whistle or hum a marching tune for them to
follow and allow them to pick up the rhythm, and this is what you are
actually hearing.
Peter
So you have to wait until they have all finished work and gone gnome,
before the noise will stop!
Lionel
If I put a fish under the bonnet (or a box of fish) and a goldfish bowl
would it cheer them up and make all well again?


Are these gnomes anything like nibblungs?
Steve
2005-12-01 11:56:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Apart from the turning left my Mondeo had the same symptoms, getting worse
over time. Two new rear tyres = instant fix.

I would have put £20 on a wheel bearing or related bit on the front end.
Particularly since the rear tyres were in decent nick. Well known Mondeo
problem (so I'm told).

Steve
Kelvin Hales
2005-12-01 12:10:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
I am truly confused.
If its got hydraulically assisted power-steering, then sounds to me like it could be
the power-steering fluid pump. Turning puts more load on it, not necessarily the
same on RH and LH turns.
Peter Neill
2005-12-01 16:09:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
<snip>

Around the late 80's my boss at the time had a 5 series BMW which
developed a humming noise, increasing with road speed, that baffled
all the technicians for over a year. Apparently, this was not an
entirely uncommon fault, and sometime after this period BMW found the
problem and put out a service bulletin instructing that a piece of
double-sided tape should be placed between the very thin plastic trim
strip at the bottom of the windscreen (outside, not inside the car) and
the screen itself. The result was an instant fix, as the wind
pressure/speed had been causing this to resonate against the glass.

Perhaps something similar may be occuring with a piece of external trim
or engine sheilding?

Peter
Billy H
2005-12-01 22:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
I am truly confused.
Thanks all!!

The noise is definitely not power plant related, I base this on the fact of
my running the car with the engine off, the noise is the same.

Mr Stephenson is partially correct, it is huuuummmmm but with a little
huuuummmmmm HUMMMMM huuuummmmm tempo to it, i.e. it has a discernable wax
and wain, althought the timing between these is imeasurable with my
stopwatch!!!!

I have in mind the rear wheels, although I was certain it was the front.

I shall change the other front bearing whenever I get the opportunity, along
with the second wishbone.

There is no resonance, I had a front wheel with balance problems causing a
big pull to the left but cured it with a change of wheel, and the wobble now
is not noticeable if there at all.

Rear wheel change seems best next course of action.



Thanks again!
Lionel
2005-12-02 09:43:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
Does it have electric fan? Bearings!
Water pump, alternator bush, Is it overhead cam? cam belt adjusting wheel bearings?
All these can make the noise you describe. Maybe noise is coming from somewhere different than you have been looking.
Just coincidence turning corner seams to alter noise?

Just thinking, doesn't power steering pump squeal if low on fluid?

Lionel
Billy H
2005-12-02 23:58:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lionel
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I
may
be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
Does it have electric fan? Bearings!
Water pump, alternator bush, Is it overhead cam? cam belt adjusting wheel bearings?
All these can make the noise you describe. Maybe noise is coming from
somewhere different than you have been looking.
Just coincidence turning corner seams to alter noise?
Just thinking, doesn't power steering pump squeal if low on fluid?
Lionel
Electric fan yes.

Water pump, maybe ( sadness ) but later date.

Alternator bush unlikely (engine does not need to turn for sound to occur).

Cam belt adjusting wheel bearings? What do you mean? I changed the belts a
couple of thousand miles ago...

Manual steering. Does power steering do that?
Tony Jeffree
2005-12-03 15:12:14 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:22:58 -0000, "Billy H"
<***@nanteshoward.f9.co.uk.nospam> wrote:


A friend of mine once had an escort that made some very mysterious
noises...she was the slim, blonde sort of escort though... ;-)

Regards,
Tony
Billy H
2006-01-30 14:09:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
Well, I changed the wishbones and fitted a new steering rack and track rod
ends.

Didn't make much difference although all the stiffer new parts have made the
steering a little heavier.

New tyres and wheel balance made no improvement to the symptoms I was
concerned by.


Changed the front nearside bearing, noted it was beginning to flake up a
little. This took away a lot of the noise but some remained.

Changed the rear offside bearing, and noted the cup was battered; pitted
around almost 50% of it's circumference.

The new wheel bearings have stopped the noise (fitted a full set now) and
I'm sure the new steering rack'll give years of good service.


I'd begun to think my drive shafts were bent. Fortunately it seems they are
not.

I can hear my engine again, and the stereo! I wasn't too keen on the tunes
the bearings were playing.


Thanks all for your inputs!


Billy
Alan Holmes
2006-01-30 17:39:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy H
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
Well, I changed the wishbones and fitted a new steering rack and track rod
ends.
Didn't make much difference although all the stiffer new parts have made
the steering a little heavier.
New tyres and wheel balance made no improvement to the symptoms I was
concerned by.
Changed the front nearside bearing, noted it was beginning to flake up a
little. This took away a lot of the noise but some remained.
Changed the rear offside bearing, and noted the cup was battered; pitted
around almost 50% of it's circumference.
The new wheel bearings have stopped the noise (fitted a full set now) and
I'm sure the new steering rack'll give years of good service.
I'd begun to think my drive shafts were bent. Fortunately it seems they
are not.
I can hear my engine again, and the stereo! I wasn't too keen on the tunes
the bearings were playing.
Thanks all for your inputs!
Billy
And this question was essential for model engineers!

Alan
Jonathan Barnes
2006-01-30 19:43:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Holmes
Post by Billy H
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming
Any ideas?????
Changed the front nearside bearing, noted it was beginning to flake up a
Thanks all for your inputs!
Billy
And this question was essential for model engineers!
Alan
It's nice when someone the group has helped comes back with an update and a
thank you.

Jonathan
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2006-01-31 00:35:44 UTC
Permalink
Dear Billy H:

"Billy H" <***@nanteshoward.f9.co.uk.nospam>
wrote in message news:43de1ee0$0$3610$***@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
...
Post by Billy H
Changed the front nearside bearing, noted it was
beginning to flake up a little. This took away a lot
of the noise but some remained.
Changed the rear offside bearing, and noted the
cup was battered; pitted around almost 50% of
it's circumference.
The new wheel bearings have stopped the noise
(fitted a full set now) and I'm sure the new
steering rack'll give years of good service.
...
Post by Billy H
Thanks all for your inputs!
Excellent news. And thanks for the update!

David A. Smith
Billy H
2006-02-05 13:23:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
...
Post by Billy H
Changed the front nearside bearing, noted it was
beginning to flake up a little. This took away a lot
of the noise but some remained.
Changed the rear offside bearing, and noted the
cup was battered; pitted around almost 50% of
it's circumference.
The new wheel bearings have stopped the noise
(fitted a full set now) and I'm sure the new
steering rack'll give years of good service.
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Post by Billy H
Thanks all for your inputs!
Excellent news. And thanks for the update!
David A. Smith
Did what a garage would've charge around 500 quid for with only 200 quid!

I ought to have charged more for my labour!
;)
Rebecca Hopwood
2006-08-10 13:20:13 UTC
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Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks ago (4).
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher tempo
and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the noise being
louder when the car turns to the left.
Friendly mechanics have inspected it and listened to my explanation of the
symptoms. We discussed bearings, CV joints and ball joints.
I have replaced the bearings on the offside and the front suspension lower
arm on the nearside. The symptoms persist.
The noise does not seem to have gotten any worse since it first began and
due to the fact it began of a sudden I am inclined to think it is a balance
problem although the noise persists at all speeds above aprox 15 mph. It
gets louder and with a higher 'tempo' at higher velocities.
I believed it to be coming from the nearside but enlightenment today threw
me as the weight shifts to the offside when I turn to the left, and I may be
being biased with an original thought stuck in my mind.
Any ideas?????
I am truly confused.
Steve R.
2006-08-11 00:46:59 UTC
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Post by Rebecca Hopwood
wheel bearing. noise increases under load, i.e., when cornering
"Billy H"
<Snip>

You might have better luck on "alt.autos.ford". Don't use terms like
"nearside" though, as people in North America will not know what you mean.

Steve R.
Smaug Ichorfang
2006-08-11 15:16:25 UTC
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Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks
ago
(4).
Post by Billy H
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher
tempo and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the
noise being louder when the car turns to the left.
Examine transmission/motoe mounts on left side as well as how exhaust
clears nearby parts. Cars flex under load which can cause parts not
normally in contact to rub. This can transmit/amplify vibration.
Additionally, seams can ouen up under stress; this could be an exhaust leak
that sounds louder when flexed. Bring your car by my house and we can
figure out what's wrong.
John Stevenson
2006-08-11 17:18:06 UTC
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Post by Smaug Ichorfang
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks
ago
(4).
Post by Billy H
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher
tempo and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the
noise being louder when the car turns to the left.
Examine transmission/motoe mounts on left side as well as how exhaust
clears nearby parts. Cars flex under load which can cause parts not
normally in contact to rub. This can transmit/amplify vibration.
Additionally, seams can ouen up under stress; this could be an exhaust leak
that sounds louder when flexed. Bring your car by my house and we can
figure out what's wrong.
Hang on a bit. This thread of Bills was ages ago, since then he's
fixed it, ran it 134,000 miles and part chopped it for a Mungdayo.
The Escort has now been to China, been processed and is now parked in
five drives in the West Midland as five different Daywoo's.

[ Sorry 4 if last night controlled explosion was in the West Midlands
]

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Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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Smaug Ichorfang
2006-08-12 05:50:05 UTC
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Post by John Stevenson
Hang on a bit. This thread of Bills was ages ago,
Sorry, thought this was a current msg thread. Must be a time warp due to
global warming.
Billy H
2006-10-02 20:09:57 UTC
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Post by Smaug Ichorfang
Post by John Stevenson
Hang on a bit. This thread of Bills was ages ago,
Sorry, thought this was a current msg thread. Must be a time warp due to
global warming.
Will this global warming lark improve the heater fan on my Ford Escort?

-was wheel bearings, rear ones. They were all pitted inside the outer race.

Put a new water pump on last month. overheated near Bolton and arrived back
in Blackpool on a recovery van.

That lil Escort does 60 miles to the gallon! lol, even more on the back of
the recovery van! ;o)

--

Billy H
Billy H
2006-10-02 20:21:29 UTC
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Post by John Stevenson
Post by Smaug Ichorfang
Post by Billy H
My 1994 Ford Escort Diesel began to make a funny noise a few weeks
ago
(4).
Post by Billy H
When driving the car emits a rythmic humming which has both a higher
tempo and volume with increased speeds. A further symptom is the
noise being louder when the car turns to the left.
Examine transmission/motoe mounts on left side as well as how exhaust
clears nearby parts. Cars flex under load which can cause parts not
normally in contact to rub. This can transmit/amplify vibration.
Additionally, seams can ouen up under stress; this could be an exhaust leak
that sounds louder when flexed. Bring your car by my house and we can
figure out what's wrong.
Hang on a bit. This thread of Bills was ages ago, since then he's
fixed it, ran it 134,000 miles and part chopped it for a Mungdayo.
The Escort has now been to China, been processed and is now parked in
five drives in the West Midland as five different Daywoo's.
[ Sorry 4 if last night controlled explosion was in the West Midlands
]
controlled explosions? I wish. My little metro (built to corner at the
Plough in Southport - all four wheels'd leave the floor if you tweaked the
wheel proper; just as one hit the *ramp*) made front page news in the YEP.
Someone put a bomb in it while I worked in the pub and blew it's window
jambs on the doors to skew-if. Windscreen was maybe 20 yards up the road.
Police were more concerned about the phone box the vandals attacked the same
night.

deary deary.

oh and it's closer to 140000 now John :oD

thit began running better when I stopped putting the diesel treatment in.
Maybe it should be flushed through with it and then run on untreated derv?
lol, I was using a litre a month. Then stopped and economy went up markedly.

I'll treat it again soon.

Right after I Redex my mother's Beamer.

Regards.
--
Billy Howard
Post by John Stevenson
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Regards,
John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.
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